SAVE SHENMUE DIGITAL UPGRADE. Kickstarter exclusive Shenmue III wallpaper set. The wallpapers will feature the Real Deal Ryo & Sure as Sugar Shenhua - the perfect models of our heroes as they were always imagined to be! + Your name on the official Shenmue III website. I wish I had the 10,000 to throw at this. I swore I'd never fund a kickstarter but I literally have no choice now. This is freaking Shenmue. There is no excuse not to fund Shenmue. I can't believe I can even wake up and say that today!

318d ago (Edited 318d ago )Crowdfunding is not preordering. Even if a crowdfunded product never materializes, investors are seldom going to get refunds. That's a risk they took, as with any other investment that fails to pan out. Here, it's just a matter of using a different store to buy the product-a minor inconvenience at worst. So I see no reason why anyone should get a refund.Edit: frostypants, you and me both, buddy.

I go between scratching my head and laughing about this nonsense. 'I have to go to Store B instead of Store A to buy?

THIS MEANS WAR!!!11!1' What a crackup. 318d ago@mikesIf you were in the same situation and were promised a PS code, just for them to announce a PC only release, you'd be crying with the best of them.How about you sit down?Steam has been referenced multiple times for this title through the years. Nothing about the Epic store until now, nearing launch.They took money from Kickstarter, much of which came from PC gamers expecting a Steam key.Then the developer got a publisher, after the Kickstarter, meaning even more money in hand.Then they decide to take Epic's money, when the game is essentially complete, if only to triple dip; at the expense of the original backers, might I add.I don't care if you're not a PC gamer. That doesn't mean you act like an arrogant child toward those who are.Grow up. 317d ago@zerefAt the end of the day, they deceived the backbone of the whole project. They were promised one thing; all the way from the beginning of the Kickstarter, through the years of development, until right before release. They've even been using the Steam store as free advertising for the game since right after the Kickstarter.To go more in-depth, there are those with merited moral reasoning to not use the Epic store.

They are setting a bad precedent and strong-arming themselves into what used to be a fair and balanced ecosystem.Some people don't care about all that; and that's fine. But many backers backed the game, being told they'd be offered a Steam key. Now those backers; again, the people who got this project off the ground in the first place, are being deceived right before launch and being outright told that their concerns don't matter.

'We lied to you. That's not right, and is not fair business practice. 318d ago (Edited 318d ago )'One is a fully featured launcher while the other doesn't have basic options'Ok, well anyone can just say words that make something seem true. The fact you gave no actual reason, and just gave negative conjecture shows exactly my point.

You are a fanboy of a brand making an argument for a series of letters because it is the series of letters you like most. Pretty pathetic really.Obviously being new there are going to be differences, but the fact you didn't name a single one of them shows you believe your rhetoric is stronger than the actual features you speak of.Specifically, we are talking about access to play a game on steam vs on Epic, not the differences in the platform as a whole. Steam would not ADD anything to the game, or actually impact what the donators thought they were getting. They still get access to play the game on PC. Any Missing features from Steam and Epic, are not going to change that at all, that is the whole point.

318d ago (Edited 318d ago )@GottaBjimmyb It matters because this segment of the gaming community is the most vocal of all basement dwelling chubby cheeked trolls.For the rest of gamers it doesn't matter. Only difference is we have to double click another icon to start the game.Shame on anyone who believes the launcher or app store should take a 30% cut from the actual developer. And especially shame on Valve for making money hand over fist while providing some of the worst customer service imaginable. 318d ago@GottaBjimmyb'Ok, well anyone can just say words that make something seem true. The fact you gave no actual reason, and just gave negative conjecture shows exactly my point. You are a fanboy of a brand making an argument for a series of letters because it is the series of letters you like most.

Pretty pathetic really. 'Okay, well anyone can just completely ignore what the person said to make what they're trying to prove seem true. The fact is they gave a complete reason. It's a FULLY FEATURED LAUNCHER. It has Steam Achievements, Cards, a proper community that's active, cloud saves and such. It's a big difference and you can ignore if you like but it's 1000% a issue.

I love getting achievements and such and I would buy everything on Steam over other launchers for that exact reason. Did that for Cuphead as I rather steams achievements over Xbox's. I never liked paying for exclusives, and don't support the practise.

Hated every time MS did it, I don't mind funding games likes Sony or Ninty. But straight paying to keep it exclusive. And I don't care if I waited years. If I funded with a steam code as my reward I'd say F em too and tell em give my money back.

They went against the people who funded the game and disrespected them to pocket Epics money. I'd rather buy on PS4 or not support the game at all than buying at this point. 318d ago (Edited 318d ago )@r2ob'Well at the moment Epic Store doesn't support cloud saves and game achievements, so that's two things Steam adds to their games that Epic Store doesn't.' Those are both going to be features before Shenmue comes out2. Neither of those change the game, though I suppose they could change the expected experience regarding the game, though point 1 makes it kind of moot.'

If people ordered products to be picked up at store A (near their home, extremely convenient), which was available at the time of purchase, then when ready for pick up they were told they had to drive to store B to pick it up (other side of the state, very inconvenient), I wonder how many people would make the hours long drive (because hey, it's just a different store) or ask for a refund (because they feel mislead or lied to).' You don't have to drive to another location, or use gas or incur an additional cost at all to use Epic Game Launcher2. There is no hours long drive in this situation.3.

Your example would make more sense if you were to say they were told to pickup at section A in a store and it was actually in section b. Which would just require a 45 second walk to the other section. In which case, no I don't believe anyone would expect a refund for that.4. Rooms of memory expeditions. Epic Store didn't exist back then, so there was not an option to suggest such, now it is available and that is the platform that made the most sense for them to launch on.5. What if Steam had stopped existing before it released and they used a different platform you like less? Would you expect a refund then? No, because you would still be getting the game.It seems like you guys are trying way to hard to be upset about something that everyone knows really is not an issue.

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If you like Steam so much, wait for it to be there, otherwise, you can play then entire game, the same as it would be on Steam on Epic Games Launcher.@teflon 'a proper community that's activeYes an active community is essential for a single player game. You guys just grasp for any straw you can other than accepting that you are arguing for a platform based on its brand.@Wolf 'Read up on why people are pissed before throwing your weight around.' I read, I read the article, comments here, etc. I just think the reasons are stupid. I am not white knighting anything, I think it doesn't matter either way for Shenmue's release which platform you can play it on.

They could have released it on a featureless Self-owned launcher and I would not care. It is not a defense of the platform, it is a criticism of whining about which name brand hosts your gaming content. 318d agoI know when I ask for Aquafina and someone give me Dasani I am extremely upset also, I totally agree with you guys. If my water bottle (or games) come from the wrong name brand I lose my s.t. You have convinced me. Aquafina come in much stronger plastic and The colors are more appealing and drinking anything else is simply ridiculous.One bottle is a fully functioning water delivery system, the other is not.You guys are definitely right, not sheep following a marketing campaign based on a name brand.

317d ago@ gottabjimmybSo the article you linked, which is 3 months old, has them expecting cloud saves within 1 to 3 months. The fact that we are at the later part of their expectations and still no cloud saves, it's a strong possibility that they may not make their 'at least six months' target for achievements. Meaning it's very possible that feature may launch after Shenmue 3.The fact of the matter is people backed the Steam version and aren't going to be getting that version. There is no mention of timed exclusivity, so no point in assuming they will get the Steam version eventually. As of right now there is no Steam version, as of right now Epic Store is lacking features, so as of right now people want their money back for being misled.

Why should the gamers, the people responsible for funding the game, have to hope to get eventually get the version they backed, have to hope that by the time the game comes out Epic Store will be able to provide them an equal gaming experience to Steam.I'm a multi console owner, but if I ordered a game for one platform and they sent me the other version because they felt it was best, I'd be pissed too even though I could just pop the game in the other console and play it. That's besides the point. People expect to get what they paid for, and if they don't then they have a right to be upset and want the situation rectified. 317d agoGottaBjimmybYou want to accuse me of being a fanboy because you asked 'why does it matter'? It clearly is not just about just the game, its the principle that matters, people were originally offered the game on a superior platform. I don't need to beat a dead horse but i will since you want to accuse me of being a fanboy, everybody knows at this point why people don't like the practices that Epic are currently doing with exclusivity, they're the only ones doing it and it's been going on for months now.Worse customer supportNo ForumsNo LinuxNo User reviewsNo Screenshot supportNo ModsNo ProfilesNo Cloud SavesNo Achievementsect.

317d ago (Edited 317d ago )@vega 'No Linux 'They never said they would have Linux support and a huge number of games ON STEAM, do not work on Linux, Steam works on Linux, not every game on it. The rest of those features either already are in Epic game launcher or will be out before the game launches as per the link I sent before. (and below) Again though, at best achievements and cloud saves are the only to even remotely relevant points on that list for a single player games.@r2ob 'So the article you linked, which is 3 months old, has them expecting cloud saves within 1 to 3 months.' Yea, the article links to their trello, and it has it under that same time frame, with the last update in march, says July, so from end of march that is 3 months if early July, 4 if late July, pretty much on target, achievements 6 months from march is still before Nov18.'

There is no mention of timed exclusivity, so no point in assuming they will get the Steam version eventually.' Not true, read FAQ. 318d ago (Edited 318d ago )Epic Store has privacy and security issues; it was taking private info from Steam files; it pays for exclusivity which by itself sucks for consumers but also in many cases when the games were already advertised in Steam or presales/crowdfunding promised Steam keys; program has much fewer options; chinese companies have 40% of shares of Epic Games; another place to divide our library of games in; the supposedly lower cut from sales doesn't translate to lower prices so no advantages for consumers but only the downsides of another and inferior program/shop; etc. 318d agoWhy should it automatically be on steam? You have console fanboys then you have pc fanboys and even worst are parts fanboys now the one that really takes the biscuit are store fanboys. This is the most ridiculous thing ever never mind different machines or amd nvidia Intel blah blah but digital stores lolThis hate and pig headedness at EGS that oh a game they was looking forward to isn't on steam now let's boycott it is unreal.I hope EGS goes from strength to strength let them squirm I say.

318d ago (Edited 318d ago )I backed Phoenix Point to get a Steam or GoG key at launch. The developers took Epic bribe money in the end and I demanded a refund. I got the refund and they got Epic's millions but my solemn vow never to buy their game if it ever comes to Steam in the future.Hundreds of other backers got their refund too but the developers couldn't give a crap about their backers so we all parted ways with a sellout developer.Never break a promise to people that funded your game and made it all possible.

It's morally wrong and false advertising. 318d ago (Edited 318d ago )Yep, it's a scummy move, but what I am about to show you is something even worse. This is a reply from YS.net to somebody who tried to get a refund.Not even allowing refunds for their lies. I have defended this game to the death in the last few years, stuck up for them with the delays and when people were complaining about the characters faces, but I can't defend this.

This is nightmare situation for Shenmue 3, this game of all games was something I was desperate to stay away from negative headlines. 318d agoPlease explain why it matters if steam or windows or epic or gog is the place for you to buy your game when it is the game itself you are really getting. Those are just retailers and anybody knows if a retailer doesnt have what you are looking for then you go to another who does. The platform remains the same.

PC.It's like this in the console world. You want a game and gamestop doesnt carry it, you dont suddenly boycott the game.

You go to another retailer who has it. I'm sorry if that is too simple but the way you digital store front guys talk is very petty.

Update: Sources have told PC Gamer that 'the developer is 'looking into it' The publication was also told that while Deep Silver is publishing Shenmue 3, it 'joined the project long after the KickStarter was set up and therefore isn't in a position to comment on the actions as we are not involved in that side of the project.'

Currently, Shenmue 3 will be exclusive to the Epic Games Store for one year.

Original story: Since its launch last year, the Epic Games Store has steadily gobbled up timed exclusives, including Metro Exodus, The Outer Wilds, and The Division 2. Now it's time to add Shenmue 3 to the list.

Following the PC Gaming Show at E3 2019, where new Shenmue 3 gameplay was revealed, Ys Net, the game's developer, confirmed that the JRPG would be exclusive to the EGS. Both physical and digital PC copies of the game will now come with an Epic Games key instead of a Steam key.

Some watching the show, including myself and a colleague, noticed the absence of the Steam logo from the end of the trailer above, leading us to speculate that the game might be yet another timed exclusive on PC.

As short-lived as that speculation was, so too was the understanding of those who had backed the project on Kickstarter. The comments on both the official exclusivity announcement and Twitter have been less than amicable.

To rub salt into the wound, it appears that the 'Shenmue III Team' is refusing to provide disgruntled backers refunds. Some of those unhappy with the move to the EGS have shared screenshots of their correspondence with the game's support team regarding refunds, confirming that refunds are not being issued at this time.

As pointed out on Twitter by Segalization, it seems the shift from Steam to the Epic Games Store was done relatively recently. Comparing the most recent update blog on the game's Kickstarter page (date June 10) to the update blog before it (dated June 4), changes can be clearly seen.

In the Additional Info section of the June 4 blog, it says that Shenmue 3 'requires Steam Client to activate.' However, the same section in the June 10 blog post says that the game 'requires Epic Games Store Client to activate.'

While at this point it's impossible to know when negotiations between Deep Silver, the game's publisher, and Epic Games began or what ultimately drove the change outside of the official statement, we do know that it appears the final decision to move storefronts was made sometime over the last six days.

However, as with many other EGS exclusives, it appears that Shenmue 3 won't stay that way forever. Taking a look at the game's official FAQ, the developers say it will release on Steam 'in the future.' However, no specific date is provided.

Shenmue 3 was originally slated for release in August on PS4 and PC. However, it was recently delayed to provide what the developers said are 'refinement.' The game is not set to release on November 19. The standard version will cost $49.99, while the Deluxe version will cost $64.98.